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If you have been a Lost fan, the name Jacob is not new to you. If you began watching Lost this season for the first time, then you need to know the creepy guy in the creepy cabin (not the eyeball, but the guy in the chair) is Jacob. This discussion in this post could spoil episode 4.1 if you haven’t seen it yet. If you live off of your TiVo, do not continue on. If you want to learn more about Jacob, then follow me.
Ben has asserted that Jacob is in charge, and that Jacob gives Ben his orders. Until Locke came around, Ben was the only one on The Island that could Speak to Jacob. Last season, when Locke heard Jacob utter “Help me,” Ben was so threatened that he shot Locke. Jacob has got to be a big deal. In episode 4.1, “The Beginning of the End”, Jacob is back, and I saw a lot more of him. Here is a screen capture: That’s right. In episode 4.1, Jacob is certainly Jack Shepherd’s father, Christian. If you recall, Christian Shepherd died in Australia and was being flown back when the plane crashed. His coffin was found, but his body had disappeared. This Jacob is very different from last season’s Jacob. Here is the season 3 Jacob: What does this mean? Personally, I think Jacob is a manifestation of who ever he needs to be. I think Jacob has appeared as Walt, Eko’s brother, Kate’s horse, Sawyer’s cat, Locke’s father and even Ben’s mother. It would appear that Jacob tends to manifest as pieces of painful memories. Therefore, it is Jacob that is hounding Hurley in the future.
Do you have any Christian/Jacob insight? I would love to hear it. Jacob is certainly the key to things at this point. I hope in the remaining 7 episodes this season we can get some more hints. I have a strong feeling however that Jacob’s true identity will not be revealed until episode 117 in 2010. Comments36 Comments so far |
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Why then did Hurley see Christian Shepherd as Jacob? The only reasonable answer is that Jacob wasn’t appearing to Hurley at that point. Who ever was the “eye” in Jacob’s cabin was talking to Christian/Jacob. Would that mean it was Jack in the cabin? What other characters would have interactions with Christian in the past so powerful that Jacob would look like him (other than Claire, the eye obviously wasn’t Claire)?
alex mclean on February 1, 2008 1:09 pm This comment was accidently deleted by site admin. Restored by admin.
Wow, those are some great thoughts on Jacob appearing as all those characters - that makes a lot of sense. I’m thinking that the eye really made me think of Lock - but then again, his eyeballs are always really wide open like that (at least one of them).
How did you get that picture of Christian in the chair? Did you enhance the video or something? Everything I saw was too dark to see anything but the outline and his WHITE shoes!
Also, could you post some pics comparing the eye from 4.1 and the eye from season 3?
The screen capture is from a HD source and was lightened. I will hunt down some captures of the “eye” and post those later. Thanks for stopping by!
[…] same site has a theory about Jacob that says he manifests himself in people’s painful memories - very interesting. Here’s […]
I thought the eye was Locke’s, not only because Locke was the one to find Hurley first but since the eye color is the same and you can just almost see the scar that Locke has from the first episode.
Well, going with your theory, the eye could also be Sawyer. If you remember from season 1, Sawyer was with Christian in a bar having a converation. I dont exactly remember the content of the conversation but I do remember Sawyer telling Jack about it. Oh well, it was just a thought.
That does make a lot of sense…Do you suppose Hurley’s “Jacob” followed him to the mainland in the form of Charlie?
Remember the ring of ashes Locke touched then stepped over on his first visit to Jacob’s cabin? We didn’t see Hugo step over it, but it was dark. My point is this: Aren’t ashes used to either keep spirits/energies in or out of something? Maybe the events that lead to the term “Oceanic 6″ come about after Jacob gets wrongly freed from his/its cabin. This may coincide with the appearance of the Matthew Abaddon character to Hurley (possible gatekeeper to the realm of the dead).
Also, since you are lightening and enhancing images, have you tried to take stills of the paintings in Jacob’s cabin? My impression of the images is that of human/animal combinations. A search on Dr. Moreau (H.G. Wells) comes up with the phrase “he’s turned heaven into hell.”
I also noted that in one of the “flash forwards” when Jack is under the influence of whatever drug he is taking he indicates Christian is still alive. That Afrian American doctor is talking with Jack and acuses him of being drunk. At that point, Jack yells something to the effect: “go up and see how drunk my Dad is right now - if I am half that drunk I would be surprised”… This indicates that Christian is actually alive and makes it off the island as well…
Just a comment about whose eye is staring out at Hurley when he’s looking into the cabin. Screen captures I’ve seen show a brown eye. Locke’s eyes are light blue, or hazel/gray. Brown eyes? Sawyer (don’t think it was him), Sayid (naahh, not him), and Desmond (hmmm?). Maybe it’s someone we haven’t met yet.
good insights - i hadn’t thought of all those possibilities
It has to be Christian, as it shows later on in the show in a scene that most seem to have overlooked…
During a flash-forward scene, Jack is confronted by the new chief of surgery, and Jack’s response to him is somewhere along the lines of “Call my dad in right now… If I’m drunker than he is, then you can fire me.”
This means that either those that escape the island travel back to the past (prior to Christian dying), or Christian never died at all, he is Jacob, and somehow tied in to this whole mess going on. Being that his body was never found in the coffin/crash AND JACK saw him from a distance staring at the survivors, he could easily be alive… Who’s to say that the very powers of the island that healed Locke couldn’t also revive someone from the dead??
The question I have is: why is everyone so deathly afraid of the newcomers?? Ok, so they are not who they say they are…. does that mean they are so terribly evil?
In reference to #s 9 and 12 above: Speaking about Jack’s father, Christian, being alive - specifically about the flash-forward hospital incident: 1) I feel that was Jack’s delusion that his father was still alive. The doctor he was speaking to looked at him with the look of pity - I see that was because he knew Jack was wacked on pills, and had endured what he had on the island; 2) I suffered through that terrible airing of the “pop-up” info episode - Which contained such inane babble at times. Yet, when it came to that VERY important exchange (between Jack and the doctor), NO information scrolled along the bottom of the screen. Why didn’t they say something like, “Jack seems unaware of his father’s passing years earlier.” Remember, Jack identified his dead father in Sydney - So, Island power or not, his flesh father is dead - even if something is taking his form or spirit on the Island.
In reference to #10 above: Eye color of the man in Jacob’s shack. Here is a good guess in my opinion: The dark-skinned man (sorry, I’m at work and the name escapes me) who seemingly never ages. He was the “hostile” who Ben meets as a boy; he was in Oregon recruiting Juliette; and he gave John Sawyer’s file. If he isn’t aging, he is significantly important.
what about the man in the cabin, being that guy who recruited julie for the island who had been around as a leader when ben was a boy — he has brown eyes, and certainly would have an interest in jacob
Could the eye be from the one-eyed guy maybe? He’s still alive isn’t he? I don’t remember seeing him since he pulled the grenade and blew up the under water capsule w/ Charlie in it.
Its becoming more obvious that the island has massive healing powers and tv drama aside, has lots of people coming back from the dead, sometimes multiple times. So it could be anyone I guess. But it cannot be the German dude, he is dead for real this time.
[…] is asked about the “chair” and who was in it. We all agree that it was Christian, but when they originally shot it, they had Hugo sit in the chair That’s right, Hugo would have […]
Thanks for all of the comments and insight.
At this point, I am inclined to think that it is Jacob’s eye. From a writer’s standpoint, there was no reason to highlight Jacob’s eye in Season 3, if not to refer back to in now.Christian is there ALSO, but he is not Jacob.
Jacob was in the cabin with Christian, when Hurley shows up. Locke was on the way to Jacob, but found Hurley instead and had to shift gears…
We shall see. Keep stopping by!.
I consider myself a fairly avid Lost watcher and spend consideralbe time trying to unravel the mysteries. I’ve never posted to a site but I like hearing everyone’s opinions. Here’s what I think and it makes sense in my world and if you can find fault or something i’m overlooking I would love your insight. I think that Lost has strong spiritual undertones, I dont think anyone can deny that. I think one of the key secrets of the island has to do with the “Fountain of Youth” that P{once de Leon sought in the state of Florida hundreds of years ago. I think the dark skinned man that Ben met as a boy in the woods, and remains with him to this day that dosent seem to age was a worker or passenger aboard the Black Pearl who i think was one of Ponce de Leon’s ships or some other explorer on the same quest he was. I think they found the island and the fountain of youth and knowing that if it was ever found it would be the source of every war to come and there would be constant fighting for control of it. I think this was revealed to Ben and that is why Ben is so fervent in his belief that no one can come to or go from the island. I think that the “choosen” ones (the people that Jacob puts on his list) are people who are content, happym and worthy of everlasting life, not people who are “damaged” emotionally, spiritually, characteristically, hence the reason they take all children. They havent had a chance to be made corrupt yet. I think that Jacob relies on these pure people to continue the protection of the island. I think thats why the “hostiles” were always at war with the Dharma initiative because the Initiative was determined to reveal all of the secrets of the island.
One thing I haven’t solved yet to my satisfaction is who exactly Jacob is. My initial thoughts were that Jacob was a form of God or Jesus but after Bens interaction with Locke and Jacob at the end of season 3 I dont think he is a deity or some form thereof because if he was a for of the Holy Spirit, Ben would know and believe that, and if Ben believed that he wouldn’t say to Locke after he shot him that “I hope Jacob can save you now…” in such an irreverent tone. Then again that could have just been Ben sinning, pure and simple. Which helps my theory about Jacob being a form of God because he appears to Locke in the form of Walt and helps him out of the pit. If Jacob is a form of God which is the direction i’m leaning then he is deffinately responsible for all of the strange sightings in the episodes, i.e. black smoke, people from the past, animals, etc…
Back to the Fountain of Youth, I dont know that it is an actual fountain in the classical sense of the term but something that can grant everlasting life or at least everlasting immortal life because Bens friend the Hostile has deffinately not aged a day in Ben’s 40+ year life.
One thought i just had about the ash ring is that the black smoke could be evil spirits or some form of satan and the ash ring could be a way of keeping it out of the cabin, just as sulphur can be used as a barrier to keep snakes out. I’ve got lots more theories rolling around in my head but thats enough for now. Again let me know what you think or if i’m way off base. Sorry for any misspellings.
The eye belongs to jack or kate
trust me with this I have a feeling.
And it has to do something with what jacks going through on the main land, after you see them together in the parking lot when jack is telling kate they have to go back.
Jack is Jacob
I think it has to do with fear.
Cause if you remeber Locke started trusting the island and showing no fear and it shows him things. that no one else can see or understand thats why everyone thinks he is nuts.
yeah i think ur right guys 1-23 and it does make sense that might be true i mean guys i think u got great thouthts and i agree well sry for the misspellings
The “eye” is wearing a hoodie like the one Charlie wore. I think its Charlie.
Jeremy, I think that you make a really good argument about the Fountain of Youth, but didn’t Jack have to cut a tumor out of Ben? That wouldn’t tend to the theory of a fountain of youth. Just a thought, trying to find a hole in your speculation!
In reference to Jacks father. I think that the coffin being empty on the island and Christian showing up all the time, he is obviously a major character in the show..I don’t think he is jacob. Also, when Jack went to Sydney to search for his father,and found out he was dead wasn’t he shown his fathers body in the morgue?
great reading, what if Jacob revealed himself to Locke as Christian Shepherd because when Locke was handicapped he saw Dr. Shepherd as a patient and trusted him. Just my theory
In response to #13, when Naomi (the first parachutist from a helicopter) came to the island she said she was on behalf of Penny looking for Desmond. When Charlie was in the Looking Glass Station he found out that Penny apparently did not have a search party. Thus the message NOT PENNYS BOAT. So their whole premise for being there was a lie. They have some ulterior motive. And not everyone is afraid. The ones who want off the island trust the newcomers to take them home. The ones who realize no one should leave (Locke and Ben)will do anything to prevent anyone from coming or leaving. hope this makes some sense; I don’t have the time to type an essay on this
the eye was jacob’s, not anyone elses. and the person in the chair is not jacob, it’s dr christian shepard. jacob can conjure up any manifestation he wants (ie the already deceased charlie at the hospital with hurley off the island).
It was Locke. He was the first to discover Hurley in the woods, and was carrying the torch that Hurley dropped outside the cabin.
What is the ‘SMOKE’ or is that what’s called the EYE as Locke referred to it “(I have seen into the EYE of the Island”),and some others who are writing in.? If they are one in the same then ‘I’ think that the SMOKE or EYE is contolling ALL the habitats on the Island to confront their past and future. Each person is seeing ‘IT’ in a different way and is having visions of traumatic events in each of their lives. Will it all be just a dream to those from flight 815? or is THE DHARMA a government conspiracy to control human lives?!
[…] The “Missing Pieces” cover things from the Lost story line that you did not witness or see in the normal course of a series episode. Some of them expose a relationship that you didn’t know about, some give background on a character that is new, and some just give you the willies. For example, the episode entitled “Room 23” is quite spooky - I definitely recommend it . “So it Begins” is pretty good also, and gives you a chill and lends some authority to the Jacob/Christian debate that is raging on in another post. […]
It could have been Sawyer too. Remember, Sawyer met Christian in Australia. He realized that it was Jack’s Dad in the first season but hated Jack so much that he didn’t tell him about the nice things his Dad had said about him. Personally, I think that Jacob is an entity that was just waiting for a body to inhabit. Christian showed up with a fairly decent body entact and so Jacob took it over. That could explain the difference in the look from last season to this one. Maybe he was still ‘fitting into’ the body. The forehead and the hairline are very similar. I do agree with you though that Jacob can project himself and look like memories from other peoples pasts. The reason he asked Locke to help him is that he is trapped with the salt/charcoal encircling the cabin. As for the eye we see, I think that was Locke. If Jacob is taking over Dad’s body, Locke wouldn’t have any reason to wonder about it since, so far, we know of no past connection. Then again, what hospital did Locke have the operation in to give him his Dad’s kidney? Also, who operated on him when his Dad pushed him out of the window? He would have needed a neurosurgeon. Maybe it was Christian! Hmmmmmm.
I am convinced that Jacob is a spirit of some kind that everyone sees in a different way. Kate saw the horse, Jack saw his Dad, Locke saw his Dad, Sawyer saw the real Sawyer (also happens to be Locke’s dad). It seems to be some kind of haunting memory for everyone. Who knows what Ben sees, but on that premise, it’s probably his Mom, since Ben undoubtedly has issues with her…
Also, I wonder if Jacob’s cabin is the “magic box” that Ben refers to when he tells Locke about the box that brings things to the island.
I am convinced that Jacob is some sort of spirit that everyone sees in a different way. Kate saw her horse, Jack and Locke each saw their Dads, Sawyer saw the original Sawyer (also Locke’s Dad), etc. Who knows what Ben sees, but based on that premise, it’s probably his Mother since he undoubtedly has issues with her…
I also wonder if Jacob’s cabin is the magic box that Ben refers to when he tells Locke that there is a special box that brings things to the island…it happened to bring Locke’s Father
I have to admit I have not gotten into the all the speculation about the mysteries of the show. But this post has certainly sparked some ideas for me.
1) Did Jacob appear to Hugo as Charlie I think there is some validity that “jacob” manifests himself as other people/creatures on the island. But I disagree that Charlie is also a manifestation. First, he appears on the mainland not the island. Second, everytime there was a manifestation of someone on the island it was in a form that was from a persons past And as far as I can remember there was never and physical interaction. When Charlie appeared to Hugo he was cleaned up and shaved (some anyway). The point is it was not a form of Charlie Hugo would have ever seen. Not to mention he gives him a whack across the face. Remembering that Hugo has had issues with halusinations it is not far fetched to think that it was actually Charlie himself that appeared to Hugo.
2) Who is Jacob and the “eye in the door” Jacob can’t be Christian unless we hold to the fact that he arrived about 4 months(?) ago and before that there was no Jacob. I think Jacob was there before the plan crash. There was a definate hierarchy within the others well before the plane crash. And Ben’s source of power and influance within the others (which was alredy well established at the time of the crash) would have had to come mostly from his ability to comunicate with Jacob. So why would we see Christian sitting in the chair? My only thought on that starts with the opinion that the eye in the door as Lock. The shape of the eye and the angle of the eyebrow to me matches Lock. He has the torch that Hugo drops when he runs and He could not have been on his way to the cabin when he found Hugo bc he goes straight to the rest of the group to warn them. I Mean if you were lock and you just climbed out of that pit where would be the first place you would have gone …. back to the cabin. A weak connection between Christian and Lock could be that Christian was a father who regreted the lack of a relationship with his son and Lock is a man who has always desired to have a father he could have a relationship with. I know, pretty weak.
3) Never say never dude While playing horse it becomes clear that Jack is worried about something that Hugo will tell others and he want to make sure that he is not going to. Hugo also says what they did was wrong. Perhaps the oceanic 6 got off the island leaving the rest of the survivors there to fend for themselves or die. I would love to hear your thoughts on this last one.
2 things to add:
Dave: in response to eternal life affecting Ben, i think that just becasue you have eternal life dosent mean you will be as healthy as the day you were born, the tumor could have paralyzed him and he live in a wheelchair of bed-ridden, and although the tumor was large in the x-rays i don’t remember Ben ever saying he felt pain from it or that he was having any of the symptoms Jack described before he operated on Ben,
second, i think we can all agree that it was not Locke’s eye in the window of the cabin that appeared to Hurley because if it was Locke would have known in episode 4-2 that Hurley did know where the cabin was when he corrected Locke who said they were taking a detour to the cabin.
Good discussion guys, i never thought about the possibility of the cabin being the magic box!